Hi William, perhaps you didn´t express himself well, or your choice of words wasn´t enough to convey simpathy to your point of view.
When you ask "what´s the problem with learning without worrying about grammar, without to much worry about it, without too much focus on it, and yet learning (by focusing on listening - implicit here) without hampering the knowledge in general. Including grammar itself.Qual o problema em aprender sem se preocupar com a gramática, sem se preocupar, entendam, sem focar, isso não impeça que eu veja uma coisa ou outra.
Yeah, I tried to reread it and to put myself on your shoes, hence my tweaking with your little piece of text there. I thought about re-explaining your p.o.v.
Man! I myself almost fell on the trap, and would say to you "there´s no learning without grammar at all."
Of course, grammar has to do with how the thought presented to somebody else, rather than how it is organized (which can be in a pretty random way - just think of a brainstorm process).
And by the way, as you have pointed out, even learning "by ear" one has to deal with ''structures" wich ammounts to "applied grammar" (I am here making some analogy with "applied mathematics"). So, using the language is, to some degree, using grammar per se.
Well, if I got your drift, you were refering to some guys out there that overplay their hand by concentrating on grammar.
That led me to a quotation that I found on the net, "By concentrating on precision, one arrives at technique, but by concentrating on technique one does not arrive at precision."
at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quote ... Xdk5BX4.99
And as it happens to everything balance is somehow the spice of life
(I paraphrased another quotation here, LOL, should be ''variety", not balance...). Thus, grammar is very welcome when it´s needed, it´s like salt to a recipe or a dish.
Then overly concentrating on grammar could take up a lot of time of a student in a rush (and distress). On the other hand, too little grammar would lead one sometimes to make stupid mistakes or don´t express himself in the best way.
There are reasons to teach and use too little or two much of it, so the secret is to find a balance.https://www.teachingenglish.org.uk/blog ... gh-grammar